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The Difference Between a Man and a Boy

  
  
  

You know the guy. He’s a friend of yours. Everyone knows the guy who’d rather play video games 24/7 and live in his parents’ basement. You know, the guy who takes the storyline behind his favorite board game a wee bit too seriously. Yeah, you know the guy, as do I. I think I’ve figured out what makes this guy different from the one not living in his parents’ basement.

man v boyThis difference is explored in Philip G. Zimbardo’s new research and book The Demise of Guys, which reveals things we’ve thought for years, but just haven’t talked about - that guys are “flaming out.”

Zimbardo’s most recent article in Psychology Today and his TedTalk say much about this generation of boys. Zimbardo uses vocabulary like “undermotivated” and “emotional disturbances” and points out the guy we all know, the guy who doesn’t play well with others, has no girlfriend or very little friends at all. This is tragic for sure. Guys who aren’t doing well in school and are socially inept probably aren’t on the fast track to success.

So what’s behind this research? Zimbardo says in his talk he doesn’t have the answers; he’s simply done the research and can now reserves the right to complain about this phenomenon. However, in Zimbardo’s complaining, he brings great insight into the core issue.

Zimbardo says we’re not asking the right questions when it comes to these young men and their motivations. The fact is, it’s not that these young men aren’t motivated at all, they’re just not “motivated the same way guys used to be,” says Zimbardo. He says society wants guys to be “upstanding, proactive citizens who take responsibility for themselves, who work with others to improve their communities and nation as a whole.”  

Commenting on his own research, Zimbardo continues, “The irony is that society is not giving the support, means or places for these young men to even be motivated or interested in aspiring to these things.” He says media and education and society at large are the problems. Society is the “major contributor to this demise because [it is] inhibiting guys’ intellectual, creative and social abilities right from the start.” The result is young men with a lack of purpose, basic social skills, who live off of their parents.

Once a man finds a mate, problems really start. Many young men who manage to find a spouse carry entitlement issues and add little value to the relationship. Zimbardo rightly points to Hollywood films to describe these boys. Films like Failure to Launch, Hall Pass and Role Models (I added Role Models, Zimbardo hasn’t seen that movie yet!) present men as “living only for mindless fun and intricate but never-realized plans to get laid,” says Zimbardo.

While I think Zimbardo’s research does well to reveal the problem, the solution isn’t adapting some societal strategy to make men out of boys by retraining society to not inhibit them. Society has its issues, of course. But the problem, in my eyes, lies with the boy. There’s a difference between a boy and a man. Always has been, always will be. If you have no plan to leave your parents’ house, you’re a boy. If you don’t relate to women as equals, you’re a boy. If you aren’t emotionally able to cherish your wife, you’re a boy. If you play video games 24/7 and you’re not actually designing the games, you’re just a boy without a purpose.

Therefore, I don’t blame media, society or women – I blame father absence.

Boys learn the kinds of behaviors Zimbardo talks about from their fathers. We live in an age of mass father absence. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 24 million children in America -- one out of three -- live in biological father-absent homes. Two in three African American children live in father-absent homes. Consequently, there is a "father factor" in nearly all of the social issues facing America today. From poverty, maternal and child health, incarceration, crime, teen pregnancy, child abuse, drug and alcohol abuse, education, and childhood obesity – fatherhood changes these issues, for good or ill.

Every generation has its things to watch out for. Sure, this generation has seen a “rise of technology enchantment” as Zimbardo points out. I certainly have more technology-related temptations than my father did. Each generation has its forms of seduction. This generation’s may be video games and online porn. My father’s temptations may have been print magazines and watching too many sports on TV. All I know is that the temptation to live for oneself will always be with us – it is part of the human condition.

The difference, though, today is that fewer and fewer boys have the stabilizing presence of an involved, responsible, and committed father in their lives to help them navigate a world of temptations and make the transition from self-centeredness to other-centeredness – the transition from boyhood to manhood. The “demise of guys” is really, at its root, the absence of fathers.

What do you think?

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Comments

Ryan - I also think it is not only physical father absence that contributes to stunted manhood in boys, but also the pernicious notion that fathers do not make a unique and irreplaceable contribution to child well being. So, lots of kids have disengaged fathers, which hurts their ability to grow into men.
Posted @ Friday, June 01, 2012 10:04 AM by Vincent DiCaro
I think this article nailed it. Society and Hollywood really glorify self-service and instant gratification. Making it clear what is really important and how to live a mans life is really the role of the father. Without that type of figure present in the home its difficult to see the trend not continuing in America 
Posted @ Friday, June 01, 2012 12:42 PM by Nyle-single father
Thanks, Nyle, for reading and commenting. We agree that it's a difficult trend to overcome. We're grateful to dads like you who understand the trend. Understanding is half the battle. Again, thanks.
Posted @ Friday, June 01, 2012 12:49 PM by Ryan Sanders
I couldn't agree more with this article. The sad part is that our court systems continue to marginalize the role of the father in the lives of their children. I know in my state I've been an active parent since she was born, her mom walked out with her at age of four months, $30,000 later and the courts say all that a "good" father needs, and all a daughter needs is every other weekend and a few weeks in the summer. Until the legal system recognizes that fathers play just as vital a role in the development of our children as their mothers do, this problem will continue to grow.
Posted @ Friday, June 01, 2012 10:22 PM by J. Zimmerman
In every aspect of the media men are portrayed as bumbling drunken fools. At work(Postal Service) we are given "diversity" training. they tell us that it is wrong to buy little boys trucks and little girls dolls because iot gives them the idea that it is expected of them! It should be expected of them to grow up and fulfill roles as mothers and fathers, responsible participating adults, decent citizens. On every side men are blasted for being men and criticised for standing strong. The presence of both a mother and father are indespensible in raising strong whole children. The family is the basic unit of society and must be protected. The way we raise strong boys that will be come men is by being strong, decent, honorable men of integrity and setting the example for our sons and the other boys around us. Enough of the Hollywood stereotypes. Real men are masculine, they are not sissies, nor are they given to buggaring one another, or getting drunk, or high, or chasing around slobbering all over loose women with only sex in mind. Be a man. Stand tall. Stand strong. Develope intgegrity. Be honest. Now is the time that the world truly need such.
Posted @ Friday, June 01, 2012 11:07 PM by Clay Hamann
Thanks for your comment, J. We appreciate you reading and taking the time to be involved with NFI. Your situation sounds extremely difficult. I'm glad you've been able to handle it uprightly by staying involved in your daughter's life. That's the right thing to do.
Posted @ Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:50 PM by Ryan Sanders
Clay, I agree with your media & portrayal of men stereo-types. Appreciate the comment, your reading of the post & your thoughtful comment.
Posted @ Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:56 PM by Ryan Sanders
There is nothing wrong with adults playing video games, as a form of spending time with their kids. I was there at the genesis of gaming (Pong), and the evolution has been truly amazing. I've grown up along with the industry. Now, even though I might not have the moves on the court anymore, my son and I can battle in the NBA Finals on my couch. I play sports games on Wii with my younger kids, and we use XBox Kinect for games, even for Zumba workouts. Whatever we do that incorporates the things they like to do, they really appreciate the bonding time. Give it a try; they might even think you're cool.
Posted @ Monday, June 04, 2012 10:13 AM by EW Robinson
It's quite obvious that society today panders to the juvenile tastes of men-boys as you demonstrated in the few examples you stated. And yes, the absence of fathers in many families contributes as well. I would caution, though, that blaming the lack of maturing on absent fathers is too much of a blanket statement.  
 
Many of us fathers in intact families also struggle to raise our boys into men - a struggle made so much harder by popular media that show dads in such a poor light. Sure we can try to limit our sons' exposure to such influences, but it's so everpresent as to be virtually impossible. Not allowing your kids to watch "Family Guy" at home? He'll watch it at his friends' houses where he doesn't have the benefit of your perspective, or else he'll be ostracized by his peers for being so out of it. Not so easy to win this - for the sake of the boy or society as a whole. 
 
As long as we continue to allow such drivel to contaminate our society, then our young will grow up in a morally-polluted environment. The creators of such films, tv shows, video games, songs etc. make a fast buck - but it's like feeding candy to a baby: sure he loves it and wants more, but the responsible adult doesn't allow it. Taken to a societal level, the movement to limit ads for sugary foods directed at children needs to be expanded to all programming made available to the vulnerable children who will form the next generation of "adults." 
 
Posted @ Monday, June 11, 2012 1:49 PM by Tim B.
Excellent post. Fifty years ago most boys were expected to work on the family farm or help out in the family owned hardware store or pharmacy. They had to learn responsibility at an earlier age and hence grew up faster. But with more and more people moving to the suburbs, boys no longer had to pull their weight on the home front so they migrated aimlessly first to the shopping malls and more recently into cyberspace. Without a sense of purpose and with the deconstruction of traditional values, people, and young men in particular, have become extremely cynical. Why grow up if you don't have to? These views are reinforced by the mass media and especially films and TV which portray men as adolescent morons.
Posted @ Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:29 PM by Robert Sedgwick
Tim, I hear you when you caution about making the blanket statement and blaming EVERYTHING on absent fathers. I'm with you on your point that fathers in intact families also struggle to raise boys into men. I love your candy bar example -- so true! Responsible parents must learn to say not and not allow certain things. This is an easy thing to do. I appreciate you reading our blog and look forward to hearing from you soon. Thanks. 
Ryan
Posted @ Friday, June 15, 2012 10:19 AM by ryan
Thanks, Robert.  
 
Great example regarding boys being expected to work the family farm or help the family in general with work and this taught responsibility. You point out, "Why grow up if you don't have to?" Today, it's the parents that must work to instill these values. I think a parent will have to intentionally find creative ways to foster work ethic in kids for sure.  
 
Thank you for reading this post. I look forward to more discussion with you soon. Have a great day. Ryan
Posted @ Friday, June 15, 2012 10:44 AM by Ryan Sanders
I understand were Ryan was coming from but for different reasons. I lost my son because my girl friend at the time just couldnt handle the job alone because I drive 18 wheelers for a job so I am gone a lot. Well she made bad moves while I was gone and didnt tell me untill it was to late for me to act and save him from foster care. We had problems as most do, but she didnt tell me anything untill it was to late. I have to live for this for the rest of my life. And it tears me down every time I think about what could have been No more I love you daddy nothing. I hope nobody else has to deal with sorrow like this
Posted @ Friday, June 15, 2012 4:18 PM by Bill Baker
the truth is that many young fathers aren't equipped to navigate the demands of life-they simply don't know how. They are resentful of their children diminishing their time to play x-box or having to really bury their comic books for fear of their 2 year old damaging them. It will be challenging to equip these young men with quality, sound advice to help them overcome their responsibilities as young fathers or the cycle will continue.
Posted @ Wednesday, September 05, 2012 9:37 PM by alberto
Although this article makes valid points on the "Absence of an 'Engaged' male role Model," It fails to include the the research on the U.S.'s total ethnic population. We've been seeing a higher population of absent "maleness" in the Latin American Culture, which leads to higher percentage of murders, long-term prison sentences, and recidivism.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:57 AM by David Garcia
Nice post!
Posted @ Monday, February 18, 2013 2:05 AM by KevinTran
Hello, this is a really fas­ci­nat­ing web blog and I have loved read­ing sev­eral of the arti­cles and posts con­tained upon the site, sus­tain the great work and hope to read a lot more excit­ing arti­cles in the time to come. Thank you so much. 
Posted @ Monday, February 18, 2013 2:09 AM by Hellen
Thanks for reading and commenting, Kevin. Let us know if we can help you in any other way!
Posted @ Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:57 AM by Ryan Sanders
Hellen, thank you for your kind comment and for reading. We hope we can spur you to consider the importance of fatherhood in everyday life as we write future articles. Thank you!
Posted @ Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:58 AM by Ryan Sanders
Simply, boys must have real men model/father being a man. In a book it was said "to be an elder ( father) one must take in another's will and desires into his will and desires." We men simply don't care; not because we are flawed stinking scum of the earth, but we haven't seen other men really care (the gutsy, real-crap caring like walking through the dark night of the soul)  
When will men really care about men another for NO other reason or payoff than it is the right thing to do.
Posted @ Monday, April 01, 2013 3:57 PM by Gregg Fambrough
Thanks for reading and for taking time to comment, Gregg. We appreciate thoughtful readers like you!
Posted @ Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:08 AM by Ryan Sanders
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